No moshing?

blimey!

I bet that came as a shock to some. I remeber Sue being quite worried about the intensity of the moshing when I worked there last.

How are audiences responding? is the atmosphere the same?

Is it going to be like when I went to reading and there were huge "No crowd surfing, no moshing" signs and the whole way through foo fighters everyone just went mental, crowd surfed to their hearts content and moshed so hard dave grohl stopped to tell people to take care of each other?

Im just interested by this, Im not saying its a good or bad desicion, it has its pros and cons, but I fully support Sue and the diner in whatever they wanna do, and this is no exeption.

blimey indeeeeeeed! fans of the rash will just be looking at the sticky carpet in a mournful manner...... thinking of better times when the floor was just a tad less sticky and you could beat eachother up to deadend boys...... no longer shall rash gigs end as a pile of bodies stacked haphazardly on the floor, entangled in misplaced cables, guitars and limbs, deflated from the exertion of a busy night's moshing......'tis a sad state for the world to be in when you are condemned from dislocating the arms of your dearest drinking buddies in a light-hearted and amicable way....... but we must be strong.... we must prevail with our initiative and invent other more ludicrous ways to express ourselves through the mixed media of dance and warfare....... instead of moshing there will be pogo-maiming and the box-trot..... perhaps even more insane styles than moshing itself.... it is on the shoulders of our young.... and their perverted little minds to carry us through these dark times and into a brighter future

Perhaps its all down to the good ol monkey dancing to get us through this

Yeah it kinda sucks man

I mean Im not a big fan of jumping into moshes but I do every now and again, I understand it was put in place because of the expense of equipment (i.e if it get damaged or broken its not good lol) but yeah it just sucks a bit

Maybe a better stratergy would be to place the equipment diffrently...

The other thing I'd like to adivse the downtown diner team as a sound engineer and a performer myself;

Cutting the power is almost as likely to damage equipment as a huge mosh pit. Paticuarly Trev's PA and band's valve amps are at risk... not to mention lighting rigs ect...

If you want me to explain the mechanics of that I will, but I just wanted to put it breifly, by cutting power you are risking alot of £££ worth of gear.

I mean, for example;

My band are playing, people start moshing (as does happen);

By cutting the power you risk;

My amp - £650
Trevs PA - £1000 >
The lighting rig - £1000 >

Already thats upwatd of £2500 worth of gear being put at risk...

And its not the evil moshing audience's gear...

a fair point there matey..... perhaps if we encircled the stage and performance area with a hillsbourough-disaster-esque metal fence.... or a mini berlin wall of some description...... i think the dynamics of the downtown diner, as with other similar venues, where the bands and equipment are at the same level as the crowd.... there is always going to be that danger.... but it kind of adds to the excitement... it brings the crowd into it more..... compare the diner to the zebra bar..... you could get away with moshing there because of the huge amount of space and the stage... but you don't feel as involved as you do at the diner

Point the amps towards the windows and have the crowd outside?

I hate moshing.

Well you have answered most of the questions and pros and cons yourself, so far the damage has been one snare drum which was broken when some of the moshers pushed into the crowd at the back and sent someone onto the drum and made a hole in the skin, one mic stand which was knocked over and tramped on, two mic heads, which were squashed when mics knocked over, a few weeks ago the lighting rig was knocked into full pelt and was caught by Glyn (this might be the reason Steve has not been back with lighting since) dont blame him! The floor monitors have been jumped on several times etc....Last week Amy's (Man Eat Monkey) has here guitar lead snapped when the stage area was stormed and someone jusmped on it....so you might think it is fun....but if anyone gets hurt, amps blown up, lighting rig gets knowed over and we get glass shatters everywhere etc...no one will be laughing then!!!!!

I will NOT put up with it...so if you want me to continue at The Diner you will have to make sure this does not happen..doesnt stop Monkey dancing, pogoing etc...and most of all enjoying yourself...you know you could dance!!!!!

Please make sure you tell anyone who comes to the diner who does mosh....as Gary & Keith at the diner are taking evasive action if it does happen.

Well you decide and let me know what you now think????

If you want to mosh...go to the other diner gigs not run by me..generally metal or heavier gigs.

Incidently if you want me to continue running the gigs here...we need larger attendance....you need to come more regularly and tell all your friends...again your comments are appreciated....most of the street team do spread the word...but there are a few not doing this now...the idea of free entry was for you to bring a few mates with you each time you come down...I know for some of you this is your exam year and I am well aware of that

Sue

So the flyer above is for this weeks gig....brilliant line up...PLEASE come down....tell your mates....bulletin the flyer for me...the gigs are always more fun if there is a good sized crowd!!! Cheers Sue

oooh..... i like it when you're angry like that

Well at least someone is your all lucky none of you have seen me loose my rag YET , but the rate we are going it is likely to happen very soon the way things are going, I guarantee no one will want to be on the end of it....ask Trev & Gavin

I like dancing, but people dont seem to feel comfortable dancing.

I mean, we always like to encourage the girls at our gigs to come forward and dance, it seems to make it all that bit less agressive (except this one time with some butch lezzers, at lanterns, I shit you not, that was insane).

We really wanna play an over 18s venue, so all the loose, exotic and probably drunk women can flash us...

everyone should take up break dancing instead.

BALLET!

that could be entertaining

and huxley our keys player is actually rather good at it

X

i second that break dancing idea..... people should do it badly...'tis more fun to watch

Yeah, I agree!

Did you guys and Under the thumb get those CD's I sent you btw? Its been a while, sorry I didnt ask sooner.

Onto the moshing topic though, you had to see these butch lezzer punks at lanterns man, it was mental, these two hench short spikey haired lezzers were just knocking lumps out of each other (and other people) in the mosh pit, it was insane, I want more people like that at our gigs, they went mental when me and my bassist started wearing a gay pride cowboy hat too...

Rifimus wrote:Yeah, I agree!

Did you guys and Under the thumb get those CD's I sent you btw? Its been a while, sorry I didnt ask sooner.

Onto the moshing topic though, you had to see these butch lezzer punks at lanterns man, it was mental, these two hench short spikey haired lezzers were just knocking lumps out of each other (and other people) in the mosh pit, it was insane, I want more people like that at our gigs, they went mental when me and my bassist started wearing a gay pride cowboy hat too...

Nothing gay about cowboy hats my friend.

Rifimus wrote:Yeah, I agree!

Did you guys and Under the thumb get those CD's I sent you btw? Its been a while, sorry I didnt ask sooner.

Yep bothreceived, sorry forgot to message you. Cheers Sue

Luca wrote:

Rifimus wrote:Yeah, I agree!

Did you guys and Under the thumb get those CD's I sent you btw? Its been a while, sorry I didnt ask sooner.

Onto the moshing topic though, you had to see these butch lezzer punks at lanterns man, it was mental, these two hench short spikey haired lezzers were just knocking lumps out of each other (and other people) in the mosh pit, it was insane, I want more people like that at our gigs, they went mental when me and my bassist started wearing a gay pride cowboy hat too...

Nothing gay about cowboy hats my friend.

BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN?????

Were the mixes okay on those CD's?

i have not heard it yet.... i must see sue

Get some ska bands, and we'll skank our way through the evening.

woop skanking XD

I believe you were one of the ones NOT skanking when my band played our ska thingy at the diner, even I was skanking...

Shameful!

I could be wrong. Please don't castrate me.